Presumed photo taken by
Apollo 20 crew (August 1976').
picture from a video added by "retiredafb" on YouTube
Official NASA photo
(detail of AS15-P-9625),
Apollo 15, 1971.
The Space Shuttle Launch Sites: Vandenberg
and Kennedy Space Center.
Titan Launch from the
Vandenberg Air Force Base,
U.S. Air Force Photo
Frame from the footage
<<APOLLO 20 Legacy liftoff
of Apollo 20 saturne 5>>,
added on YouTube
by "retiredafb" on April 9, 2007.
Another detail of the mysterious
and huge cigar-shaped object:
zoom from AS15-M-1579
High Resolution Image,
taken on Apollo 15 (1971);
camera altitude: 116 km;
Sun Elevation: 24°;
Lens Focal Length: 3 inch
Analysis of the detail of
(Apollo 15, 1971),
using the Gimp Software
- by L. Scantamburlo -
Frames from the
?Apollo 20 flyover?
on a presumed alien spaceship,
on the backside of the Moon - source: footage added on YouTube by
"retiredadfb" and taken by
the LM-15 (Phoenix) crew
before the descent.
WRITTEN INTERVIEW WITH WILLIAM RUTLEDGE, AN
"APOLLO 20" ASTRONAUT (1976) Interview Carried Out by My YouTube
by Luca Scantamburlo
I decided it is better avoiding to name the people who work for
NASA now and mentioned by W. Rutledge in the answer nr.24, because
it is necessary, in spite of his amazing video footages and his
detailed report, waiting for further evidences about this amazing
story, which is showing some contradictory aspects. As fact, in
spite of their names are true and in public domain as Governmental
employees, so far they are not known as historical leading
characters, and there is no proof of a previous contact with W.
Rutledge - But the things could change...
Let's see what happens. L.S. June 30, 2007
A secret joint space mission on the Moon, result of an
American-Soviet collaboration taken place in August 1976? Is it
possible? Why not, if you consider that the existence of a Federal
Agency like NRO
Reconnaissance Office), and its missions of overhead
reconnaissance, "were declassified in September 1992" (according to
its official website). And is it really possible that such a
collaboration has been prepared to explore a huge alien spaceship
found on the backside of the Moon?
(according to his story, a man of 76 years old who lives in Rwanda,
former of Bell Laboratories and employed by USAF) is the name of the
?deep throat? who, since April 2007, has been disclosing information
and spreading a lot of video and photographic material on YouTube,
about the presumed Apollo 20
space mission. His user name on YouTube is ?retiredafb?,
the most amazing footage he released so far is the presumed flyover
of an ancient alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon by
the Apollo 15 crew.
The last official space mission to the Moon with crew was the
Apollo 17 (NASA), which took place in December 1972, and the Apollo
20 mission was cancelled by NASA in January 1970. But the presumed
footage of Apollo 20 is not the only material which came out in the
last weeks: it was also released by William Rutledge a presumed
studio for the flyover of the assumed alien spaceship (available on
YouTube as the so-called preflight study for Apollo 20). And
moreover on YouTube we have also several shots of the strange object
on the backside of the Moon (whose numbers would be AS20-1020,
AS20-1022 and AS20-FWD-7250). According to the YouTube file-card on
William Rutledge, who uploaded the controversial footages and shots,
<<Apollo 20 went to the moon
august 16 1976. Destination was Iszak D, southwest of Delporte
Crater, farside of the moon. The mission was soviet-american. Crew
was William Rutledge CDR, former of bell laboratories, leona
snyder CSP bell laboratories, and alexei leonov, soviet cosmonaut
former "apollo soyouz" (mission one year earlier).>>
There are a few inconsistencies in William Rutledge?s
memories that you can find in reading this interview. It could be
comprehensible if you think about an old man (76 years old) who is
trying to recall historical facts and events of his life. So, I am
not astonished if Rutledge, for instance in talking about the former
Russian President Boris Yeltsin who used tanks and troops during the
assault to the Parliament building, recalled the years 1995 or 1994
when the exact year of the small civil war was 1993 (<<[...]
I went to the Ural in 1995 or 1994, can't recall, responding to an
invitation, but it was a mess here, I crossed Moscow when tanks
were shooting the Russian parliament>> by W.
Rutledge, from the answer nr.8 of the interview).
I verified it later on an encyclopaedia, but I could not
answer before to such a question. I remembered only it occurred at
the beginning of the '90s.
On the other hand William Rutledge showed me a knowledge of
Geology, Chemistry and of space exploration history, using specific
terms. For example, he mentioned in the interview a not well-know
term: the "feldspathoid", a "mineral
consisting of an aluminous silicate that has too little silica to
form feldspar" (Webster?s
Third New International Dictionary, Könemann, 1993, pag.
So, I have good grounds for believing William Rutledge?s
testimony: first of all there really is (was?) a strange and big
object on the far side of the Moon, and its shape is very close to
that one showed in the video on YouTube: I am talking about the
object visible in a couple of NASA pictures taken by the Apollo 15
mission. The cigar-shaped object looks like leant beside a crater,
lightly oblique; and the visible zone in the footage is very similar
to the visible region in some originals NASA photos taken by Apollo
15: the Moon region coordinates where there is the unusual object
are the following: Latitude: 10° S - Longitude: 117.5° E,
Southwest of Delporte and North of Izsak. I have checked on a Lunar
chart: it is on the backside of the Moon.
The official NASA photos are available on the website of the
Lunar and Planetary Institute (LPI, in Houston), which is a
?research institute that provides support services to NASA and the
planetary science community?: the links to find the pictures (the
AS15-P-9630 and the AS15-P-9625, from the the Apollo Image Atlas)
are the following:
Moreover, it is meaningful that the links were provided by
William Rutledge (how did he know the details of those panoramic
A second reason, in my opinion, is that William Rutledge is
not gaining money from doing that. A third reason is the detailed
story he told me in the following interview, full of technical and
other specific aspects coherent among them. There are just some
incomplete biographical notes about the famous NASA astronauts. But
he answered kindly to every single question I have put to him,
without hesitation, and he provided several names of the presumed
American and Soviet people involved in that classified space
mission. Some of them are still alive. It could be interesting to be
able having a comment from them.
The fourth reason is the quality of the footages on YouTube,
which seem consistent with a shot equipment available during the
'70s and the first '80s. I asked to an expert in shot, an Italian
friend of mine whose name initials are F.D. His comment about the
footage spread by William Rutledge was the following:
<<[...] i punti luce
sovraesposti e la relativa 'scia' presentano tutte le
caratteristiche dei difetti delle telecamere basate su tubo di
tipo VIDICON. La 'scia' consiste in una persistenza del segnale
video all'interno del tubo. [...] Nonostante quest'ultimo sia un
sistema di ripresa televisivo obsoleto, oggi la ditta Hamamatsu
(www.hamamatsu.com) realizza telecamere VIDICON
In English it means:
overexposed light points and the relative trail show all the
features of the TV cameras faults based on VIDICON-type tube. The
?trail? is composed of a persistence of the video signal inside
the tube. [...] In spite this one is an obsolete TV shot system,
today the Hamamatsu firm (www.hamamatsu.com)
makes infrared VIDICON cameras.>>
And, as a matter of fact, among the several different
varieties of photographic equipment aboard the Apollo 17, there was
a Westinghouse color TV camera,
which could used in the command module, handheld or bracket-mounted.
It is almost obvious thinking to a similar camera equipment for the
presumed Apollo 20, taken place in 1976 according to William
In any case, the public will be the first judge of this story,
which could become in the near future the definitive proof that we
are not alone in the Universe.
FOREWORD FOR THE READERS
In the following interview granted by William
Rutledge who lives now in Africa, I have corrected (where
I could) the orthographical mistakes that there were in the
answers (e.g. I put the right capital letters and the right
apostrophes), but I did not change the syntactical construction of
the sentences made by William Rutledge. Where I was not able
to understand his words, I put some dots between square brackets.
W. Rutledge told me he is now an old man with some problems
to the his articulations; moreover, William explained to me that
he?s always nervous when he writes. That?s why on YouTube you can
find some mistakes in his comments (user name: retiredafb)
posted with the footages. Anyway, here you are some words written
by him for the foreword to the following interview: << I don?t
use English since 1990 but Kinyarwanda and French, and I write
quickly, sometimes letters are missing because I?m busy writing
the next one, or it is another on the keyboard which is used,
but that?s a detail?>>
1) Luca Scantamburlo:
First of all I want to thank you for your time and availability.
It means a lot for me and, I guess, for all the people around the
world, very curious about what it is going on YouTube after the
release of your amazing video footages and information on the
presumed "Apollo 20" space mission. Now we can begin our
interview. Because of my professional activity, I will start from
a skeptical point of view. So please, I kindly ask you to
understand it. You will have the space to answer and for
explaining your reasons. What is your name? How old
are you and are you an American citizen? Sometimes your written
English contains some orthographical mistakes? Are you forgetting
your language rules (e.g., you wrote "maicroscope" instead of
"microscope")? Somebody on the Web said you do not seem
(considering your writings) an American-English native land?
not offended, I like to answer to skeptics, you cannot imagine what
kind of messages I receive. That?s my name, William Rutledge, no
Standford Rutledge, it's another one. Born in 1930 in Belgium,
American citizen, I know about mistakes, I'm writing too fast with
arthrose problems and I'm always nervous when I'm writing, it's like
trying to contain a flow of water. I'm not accustomed to speak in
English anymore since 1990. I have learned Kinyarwanda and use
French, sometimes German because Rwanda is a former Belgium-German
2) L.S.How long have you been living in Rwanda
and why did you move overthere?
W.R. It 's a
woman who brought me to Rwanda, maybe I was searching for somebody
like one person who shared my life before. Personally speaking, I
have always been sensible to Africa born women. (Buzz Aldrin was
also sensible, he was the only astronaut participating in a walk
after martin Luther King's death, it?s not a well known story). I
established myself with a new identity in Kigali in 1990, streets
have no names here. I stayed in Nyiamirambo quarter till 1994, war
pushed me to the north west of the country, near the Congo Kinshasa
frontier. Rwandan authorities do not know my past, my friends do.
3) L.S. Can you tell
me anything about your life? Where are you from? Where did you
W.R. I've written on
this on my others answers, Avro, Chance Vought, just consider that
USAF uses every person who can bring skills, white, black, woman,
every citizen. It was different with NASA, all astronauts were West
Point students, only Alan Bean was an artist, Armstrong was a
philosopher and Aldrin a spiritual man.
4) L.S. How did you
become an astronaut with NASA (I suppose) in the ?70s?
W.R. NASA didn't
employ me, USAF did, I had worked on the study of foreign
technology, RUSSIAN only, study about the N1 project, AJAX plane
project and the Mig Foxbat 25. I had some skills for using computer
navigation and was a volunteer for the MOL-Gemini project. USAF
recalled that, I have been chosen later for Apollo 20 because I was
one of the rare pilot who didn't believe in God (it has changed
since 1990) but it was a criterion in 1976. It was not the status of
the NASA astronauts. Not believing in God made the difference.
5) L.S. Can you prove
who you are with some photos or documents of yours, taken during
the training by NASA or even before, during your work at the Bell
Laboratories? Can you send them to me as attachments, for a
W.R. Yes, I will put them
online, but I will focus on Leonov, to end hoax controversy.
6) L.S. When and
above all why did you decide to disclose these information about
classified space missions and is there anybody who is protecting
W.R. It's the announcement of "the wonder of it
all" maybe, and 2012 is coming fast. I also think that UFOs will
appear more often starting from September 2007. A lot of people died
around me in Rwanda, and I have more time to take care of this.
About protection, please understand it's hard to speak of my
7) L.S. After the
?Apollo 20? mission, taken place in August 1976 according to the
information you have provided, what did you do and when did you
leave the U.S.A. ?
W.R. After Apollo
20, several things happened, I was not aware of how the material
collected would be used. I thought Space Shuttle was a bad idea,
I've worked on the KH 11 project before retiring.
8) L.S. In your
writings provided on YouTube you mentioned the members of the
"Apollo 20" crew: among them there is the former Soviet cosmonaut,
Alexei Leonov. I remember he is still alive. Does he know what you
are doing on the Web? Did you talk with him before April 2007 and
if the answer is no, aren't you afraid about what he could do or
W.R. Leonov is
not aware of all this, I cannot contact him, contacts were
completely lost in 1982-1984, I went to the Ural in 1995 or 1994,
can't recall, responding to an invitation, but it was a mess here, I
crossed Moscow when tanks were shooting the Russian parliament.
Cant' imagine his reaction. If he discovers the videos without
preparation, he can confirm or leave at once. If he is warned, and
prepared, he can deny.
9) L.S. A question about the
dialogues subtitles on the ?spaceship footage?: did you make them
or did somebody else make them? There are some mistakes (e.g., the
personal pronoun is ?I?, with the capital letter, not ?i? as there
is written). What about the original dialogues? Were there in the
footage? Did you have problems with the codecs during the
plenty of problems, subtitles are made just before transfer, I have
to work with the distance, I'll be back in Rwanda in July. I asked
to put the flyover very quickly, they made the subtitles in one
hour, buried instead of burried, aperture to 1.8 is not at the right
place, there are mistakes but is does not shock me. The Apollo 11
mention at the beginning of the film surprised me, it is on the
original film, one internaut signaled that to me. The films are not
the first generation, some of them were copied in 1982 I'm sure of
this, some have a blue background from the end of the 70's.
10) L.S. There are in the
dialogues between the astronauts and the Mission Control, some
expressions that I do not understand: for instance, ?CSM?, ?DSKY?
and ?Vandenberg Twenty?. I could think that ?DSKY? is about the
position on the Moon (close to the Izsak crater) and that the
?Vandenberg Twenty? is about the Mission Control, located by the
Vandeberg Air Force Base, in California. Can you explain them?
W.R. CSM is
Command Service Module, DSKY was the computer "display keyboard", we
used many acronyms. AGC is Apollo Guidance Computer, same that DSKY,
but located in the Apollo spacecraft and coupled with a telescope (
[?] on the LM).
In some videos, the first image you see is the DSKY panel
with lines prog indicates the program running verb and noun verb
indicates what the DSKY has to do and show. Before filming I had to
enter verb 15 (display MET, mission elapsed time, or hours minutes
seconds since lift-off, then noun 65 for displaying on there rows,
hours on the first line minutes on the second, and seconds/tens of
seconds on the third line). Then in every movie we put the date on
the beginning of the shot, MET, Mission Elapsed Time, hours since
lift-off. In the flyover movie, the computer indicates 144 hours if
Capcom (CC) is the function of the unique officer charged of
transmission to astronauts. He gathers all information and transmit
them to the astronauts, news from the ground, instructions for the
corrections, wake up calls, three persons relay.
The syntax was "Vandenberg" calling Vandenberg next "twenty"
a call from twenty. Inverted when starting from Earth: Capcom-
Twenty or sometimes EEcom- Twenty Guido - Twenty when we had a
special work to do, docking, correction. When undocking was made the
communications were different. Vandenberg Constellation (name of the
Apollo spacecraft); Vandenberg Phoenix (name of the LM). The Apollo
19 Apollo spacecraft was Endymion and Artemis was the Lunar Module
11) L.S. I would like to
know something more about the preparation of the "Apollo 20"
mission. From where and when the Saturn rocket was launched and
how many people were involved in that classified mission. Can you
do some names?
W.R. 300 people
were involved on the preparation, but more other witnesses in
Vandenberg. It was launched from this AFB. More witnesses, yes, many
people saw departures in the sky, cameras were forbidden all around
the Vandenberg site, but today a lot of Space spotters film every
launch of Delta rockets, from towns. Other people saw this launch
but not knowing it was a Saturn 5. One internaut viewing the launch
video says this launch is a Saturn 1B. If today, with all available
information, somebody makes such a mistake, you can image how it was
in 1976. The preparation was long, subject of cancellations, new
starts. Russians had the first information since 1966, I don't know
what was their source.
12) L.S.Can you tell me anything about the
Russian collaboration to ?Apollo 20??
W.R. James Chipman Fletcher for USA and Valentin
Alexeiev for Russia, Werner Von Braun was one of the happy viewer.
Capcom were Charles Peter Conrad and James Irwin.
me something about the ?Apollo 18? and the ?Apollo 19? missions;
specially about the last one and its failure. Was it a classified
mission with the same goal of the ?Apollo 20?? Tell me about your
ex girlfriend, Stephanie Ellis, ?first American woman in Space?
according to what you wrote to me in a former letter. The official
space history does not include her as astronaut?
W.R. Apollo 18 was the
Apollo-Soyuz project, the honeymoon before a moon landing mission,
it was presented as a simple "shaking hands" mission in 1975. Apollo
19 and 20 were hazardous missions. On long duration flight the
helium pressure was too high on the LEM, a security disk had to
burst if pressure was going high, but motor was unusable after. So
it was changed on Apollo 19 and 20, but not tested in Space before.
It was ok, but? in the paper. However, we got no problem with it. It
was a long mission, 7 days scheduled on the Moon, every ray of light
was used till ascent.
Apollo 19 had a loss of telemetry, a brutal end of mission
without data. Now the truth is unknown but it seems that it was a
natural phenomenon, a collision with a "quasi-satellite ", like
Cruithne, or a meteor (the probability is higher I think). The goal
was the same, the landing site was the same, the exploration program
was different, they had a big job to do with the rover, exploring
the roof of the ship by climbing on the "Monaco hill", (I'll have to
put a lunar map online). NO American astronaut is listes, I
discovered since may that many people find many William Rultledge in
NASA. I can be found in the list of the Test pilots of Chance
Vought, on the consultant list of the James Forrestal Center, I was
involved in fluid mechanics. My boss was Bogdanoff (nothing in
common with the Bogdanoff scientists).
Stephanie Ellis was born in Abidjan (Ivory Coast) in 1946, arrived
in America at the age of 7 months. She was a LM specialist, she
worked with Grumman Bethpage for new implementations on the
navigation system of the LM (Note that LM15 was officially
destructed by Grumman). She contributed to debug the Luminary
program, who was never bug free. Apollo 19 and 20 had serious
problems with docking and rendez-vous. Her technical knowledge was
as deep as Roger Chaffee. She was a wonderful and funny person. I
have some pictures of her in the LEM and Ingress 16 mm footage. I'll
not show the other members of the crew.
Russian collaborations; I don't know how, but Russian were
informed of the presence of a ship on the far side. Luna 15 in July
1969 crashed just at the South of the nose of the ship. It was a
probe similar to Ranger or Lunar Orbiter. They provided maps,
precise charts of this area. The center of decision was located in
the Ural, in the town of Sverdlovsk. The chief of the program was
professor Valentin Alekseiev, who became later president of the
academy of science in Ural. Leonov was chosen because of his
popularity in the communist leading staff, and secondary only
because he was on Apollo-Soyuz. In 1994, I met again Valentin
Alekseiev in Ural, Yekaterinburg, and he had a model of the
spaceship made of malachite with incrustations of gold on his desk.
I could tell you 100 stories about how Russians wanted to impress
us. For example, when I came to the Academy of the Ural for the
first time, my feet sticked on the ground, they had put varnish on
the floor, not dried, for showing us new offices, they did all this
"the Russian way", quickly, with quantity, not completely ready.
14) L.S. Is there
anybody in U.S.A., Russia or in Europe that can confirm your
story? And are you not afraid that somebody can threaten your
friends or relatives?
W.R. In USA,
honestly I don't know who is living now. Conrad died a strange way I
think, his death was awful. Irwin is dead, von Braun also I think.
James Fletcher. Leona Marietta Snyder is alive and communicates and
support me in this job. In Russia, Valentin Alekseiev, and Alexei
Leonov. Leonov is retired, I'm not sure of this but his health is a
About security, no problem as far I live in Rwanda, I only
have problem now in Europe, my family is dead. I went to Rwanda in
1990, and stayed during 3 wars, the April-July 1994 were the worst
years of my life, but I have now true friends in the Tootsie
community and Government. (I'm not known in Rwanda as William
Rutledge and American citizen, I have a whole new life).
I kept my moon flag, beta cloth name, and moon al7b equipment with
15) L.S. What did you
know about the unofficial Warwick Research Institute Report on the
?Public Acclimation Program?, released in 1992 to the MUFON?
W.R. I have no
knowledge of this report, 1992 was a very hard year for me, I was
disconnected from all this, can you give me a link?
16) L.S. Now we can
discuss the ancient ?alien spaceship? and ?the City? on the
farside of the Moon. Did you go inside the spaceship? How big was
it and what did you find inside?
W.R. We went
inside the big spaceship, also into a triangular one. The major
parts of the exploration was; it was a mother ship, very old, who
crossed the universe at least milliard of years ago (1.5 estimated).
There were many signs of biology inside, old remains of a vegetation
in a "motor" section, special triangular rocks who emitted "tears"
of a yellow liquid which has some special medical properties, and of
course signs of extra solar creatures. We found remains of little
bodies (10cm) living in a network of glass tubes all along the ship,
but the major discovery was two bodies, one intact.
17) L.S. Did you visit
?the City? on the Moon? Where was it? Did you understand if was
there a connection with the Space ship? Are ?the City? and ?the
Ship? still there?
W.R. The "City"
was named on Earth and scheduled as station one, but it appeared to
be a real space garbage, full of scrap, gold parts, only one
construction seemed intact(we named it the Cathedral). We made shots
of pieces of metal, of every part wearing calligraphy, exposed to
the sun. The "City" seem to be as old as the ship, but it is a very
tiny part. On the rover video, the telephotolens make the artifacts
What about the ?Mona Lisa EBE?? [the correct Italian name is
?Monna Lisa?] How does she look like and where was she at that
time, when you found out her on the Moon. Where do you think she
W.R. Mona Lisa
? I don?t remember who named the girl, Leonov or me - was the intact
EBE. Humanoid, female, 1.65 meter. Genitalized, haired, six fingers
(we guess that mathematics are based on a dozen). Function; pilot,
piloting device fixed to fingers and eyes, no clothes, we had to cut
two cables connected to the nose. No nostril. Leonov unfixed the
eyes device (you'll see that in the video). concretions of blood or
bio liquid erupted and froze from the mouth, nose, eyes and some
parts of the body. Some parts of the body were in unusual good
condition, (hair) and the skin was protected by a thin transparent
protection layer. As we told to mission control, condition seemed
not dead not alive. We had no medical background or experience, but
Leonov and I used a test, we fixed our bio equipment on the EBE, and
telemetry received by surgeon (Mission Control meds) was positive.
That?s another story. Some parts could be unbelievable now, I prefer
tell the whole story when other videos will be online. This
experience has been filmed in the LM. We found a second body,
destroyed, we brought the head on board. Color of the skin was blue
gray, a pastel blue. Skin had some strange details above the eyes
and the front, a strap around the head, wearing no inscription. The
"cockpit" was full of calligraphy and formed of long semi hexagonal
tubes. She is on Earth and she is not dead, but I prefer to post
other videos before telling what happened after.
Were you able to understand the origin of the spacecraft and how
old was it?
W.R. The age was estimated to 1.5 milliards of years, it
was confirmed during exploration, we found ejections from the
original crust, anorthosite, spirals in feldspathoids, coming from
the impact which formed Izsak D; The density of meteor impacts on
the ship validated the age, also little white impacts on the Monaco
hill at the West of the ship...
20-21) L.S. Can you
give me the technical details for every material you disclosed on
YouTube? I mean, can you distinguish among the tv transmissions
from the Lunar rover and the camera footages, during the flyovers?
I would need to know the details of shooting for every video you
spread on the Web. What is the meaning of the strange numbers
visibile on the videos, which sometimes slowly stream over the
frames, in the flyover of the Moon?
W.R. I have
answered so much time on this, especially to a ESA astronaut. The
transfer was in made in Rwanda, [?] with codec and sound
recuperation is not good, but it becomes better. The subtitles are
not genuine, but put on the videos after transfer. I asked to remove
the voices sometimes to protect one person from mission control.
We used three video cameras in Apollo, one on the rover,
called GTCA, it is not the name of a company (a commenter made a
mistake on this) but a Westinghouse color camera. All three color
cameras has a color wheel who produced a time frame delay when
transmitting to the earth. I think it could be possible for a
company to restore a good TV picture. The CSM camera had a black and
white monitor, and produced stable pictures, sharp because focusig
was visible on the monitor. The LM camera had a glass visor. The CSM
camera was used one time on the AGC Visor, using the coordinates
I've transmitted during the flyover video. The Flyover video was
made in zero gravity. I was located on the left window, attitude
horizontal, legs around the hammock, lens on the polycarbonate
glass. The cameras had a Vidicon tube sensible with light, a large
quantity of light, or changing the diaphragms put dropouts during
transmission. The markings, numbers are used to perform a good
landing. During program 64, when [?] in almost in vertical attitude,
we had to put the "60" number on the landing site and hold it on the
target minutes before landing. These marks are on the both [?]
windows, you can verify it on a NASA site. Please verify on a
genuine NASA site, (I got a flame by somebody who verified on the
Apollo 13 movie) the markings had a special angle inclination. If
you check it, you'll have an idea of my precise position during this
How did you get years ago the copies of the footages of the
W.R. About the footages [?] one day, someone I know told
me he was charged to maintain security around a container. A
building had to be destroyed, and archives had to be burn by a
plasma torch. The nuclear power plant didn't deliver energy at the
right price, so the container was plenty of interest things during
some days. As human is naturally curious, people charged of security
went inside? My friend took video films, a couple of 16 mm plates,
boxes of B/W paper, two enlargers? He contacted me for selling the
unsued paper, and that?s how I discovered the other things. I've
already seen some picture before, 11*16 pictures were violet/blue,
old RC photographies, I watched the tapes , it was not a business
affair, I put them in security, the only important thing for me were
the BW sheets of paper. It was 15 years ago.
Have you ever met Clark McClelland, former NASA engineer who lost
his job years ago because of what he discovered at the KSC (I
suppose alien bodies or alien objects from the Space)?
W.R. But you can give me the links. Documents can be at KSC,
but no bodies or alien craft I think.
You mentioned in a former letter C. M. and M. Who are they?
W.R. C. M. is the
website officer on Oceans NASA site
[http://oceancolor.gsfc.nasa.gov]; M. also. A. M. is 508
Coordinator. I only have mail exchange with Johnson Space Center for
the moment. There is a moment of panic I think since May 18. Check
508 coordinator NASA on a search engine. Statement 508 is the way of
pushing NASA to declassify material. I expected a reaction.
Luca >>> it is a part of my strategy, NASA has the right to
block me if I download unauthorized information. If they explain why
they block me, they recognize that the videos can be obtained from
them. If I sue them for violation of Statement 508, they will be
forced to prove I downloaded unauthorized material , and it's not
the case, I never go on a NASA site.
Since May 18, I have not a precise answer, I have to wait for
a decision from the headquarters.
Even as Italian citizen, you have the right to ask for material from
a federal agency like NASA, see 508 Statement:
you afraid of the U.S. Government?s reaction and why did you talk
about the date of September 2007, when NASA and USAF (according to
you) ?will be forced to tell the whole story before September
2007? What does it mean and Who is your ?deep throat?? In another
recent your communication to me, you talked about the ?2012? year.
You said: ?In 2012, the weakers will die, and governments preserve
the only bit of their heritage [?] everybody has to be prepared
for 2012?. Is there any connection with the ?Planet X? return (the
ancient Nibiru, adored by the Sumerians in Mesopotamia) ? What did
you know about it?
the deep throat. What can NASA USAF do now? Blocking or suing me
would be an acknowledgement. They can speak of hoax or fiction. I'm
just afraid they could open a site or another account with my name
or putting almost perfect false videos with voluntary errors to
disinform. Fortunately, bureaucracy and time works for me. It's a
That's why the idea of putting the Leonov files is a good
idea, no controversy anymore, there are no Leonov footage, no videos
of this period of Leonov in a LM or on a USA USAF base. It is
unthinkable related to the official version .
am a passionate of the Sumerian period, of the Genesis as related by
Sumerian. They clearly explain how gods created man. But I have no
indications on Sumerian cosmogony, send me some links.
There is a question you didn't ask for and I'm always
surprised that nobody does. This could be your question 27 - why is
it necessary to hide UFOs, why disinformation, why putting all this
under the carpet? It's question of economics. All currencies on
Earth are based on the value of gold. Not many citizens know that
but gold is an extraterrestrial metal coming from the death of a
star. When a star is dying, its mass is growing, atoms are
compressed and when the star explodes, it spreads large amounts of
gold in young solar systems. That's why gold is not a mineral to
treat but a perfect, carbon free metal. This mean that it is the
most common substance in the universe, no more value than a piece of
That's enough to put down all world currencies. Imagine also that an
EBE says: "coffee has a good taste, rare in this galaxy", the only
perspective of trading coffee through universe would displace the
economic power to countries of the South in one day. You see, not a
problem of panic, but simply a problem of economy.
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