Presumed photo taken by Apollo 20 crew (August 1976?).
Source: picture from a video added by "retiredafb" on YouTube (year 2007)
Official NASA photo (detail of AS15-P-9625), Apollo 15, 1971.
f The Space Shuttle Launch Sites: Vandenberg Air Force Base and Kennedy Space Center.
Titan Launch from the Vandenberg Air Force Base, in California.
U.S. Air Force Photo Courtesy NASA
Frame from the footage
<<APOLLO 20 Legacy liftoff
of Apollo 20 saturne
added on YouTube
by "retiredafb" on April 9, 2007.
Another detail of the mysterious and huge cigar-shaped object: zoom from AS15-M-1579
High Resolution Image,
taken on Apollo 15 (1971);
camera altitude: 116 km;
revolution: 38; Sun Elevation: 24°;
Length: 3 inch
Analysis of the detail of AS15-P-9625 photo, (Apollo 15, 1971), using the Gimp Software
- by L. Scantamburlo -
Frames from the “Apollo 20 flyover” on a presumed alien spaceship, on the backside of the Moon - source: footage added on YouTube by "retiredadfb" and taken by the LM-15 (Phoenix) crew before the descent.
AN ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON: INTERVIEW WITH WILLIAM RUTLEDGE, MEMBER OF THE APOLLO 20 CREW
WRITTEN INTERVIEW WITH WILLIAM RUTLEDGE, AN "APOLLO 20" ASTRONAUT (1976) Interview Carried Out by My YouTube Account/General Messages
by Luca Scantamburlo
I decided it is better avoiding to name the people who work for NASA
now and mentioned by W. Rutledge in the answer nr.24, because it is
necessary, in spite of his amazing video footages and his detailed
report, waiting for further evidences about this amazing story, which
is showing some contradictory aspects. As fact, in spite of their names
are true and in public domain as Governmental employees, so far they
are not known as historical leading characters, and there is no proof
of a previous contact with W. Rutledge - But the things could change...
Let's see what happens. L.S. June 30, 2007
secret joint space mission on the Moon, result of an American-Soviet
collaboration taken place in August 1976? Is it possible? Why not, if
you consider that the existence of a Federal Agency like NRO (National
Reconnaissance Office), and its missions of overhead reconnaissance,
“were declassified in September 1992” (according to its official
website). And is it really possible that such a collaboration has been
prepared to explore a huge alien spaceship found on the backside of the
(according to his story, a man of 76 years old who lives in Rwanda,
former of Bell Laboratories and employed by USAF) is the name of the
“deep throat” who, since April 2007, has been disclosing information
and spreading a lot of video and photographic material on YouTube,
about the presumed Apollo 20 space mission. His user name on YouTube is “retiredafb”,
and the most amazing footage he released so far is the presumed flyover
of an ancient alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon by the
Apollo 15 crew.
The last official space mission to the
Moon with crew was the Apollo 17 (NASA), which took place in December
1972, and the Apollo 20 mission was cancelled by NASA in January 1970.
But the presumed footage of Apollo 20 is not the only material which
came out in the last weeks: it was also released by William Rutledge a
presumed studio for the flyover of the assumed alien spaceship
(available on YouTube as the so-called preflight study for Apollo 20).
And moreover on YouTube we have also several shots of the strange
object on the backside of the Moon (whose numbers would be AS20-1020,
AS20-1022 and AS20-FWD-7250). According to the YouTube file-card on
William Rutledge, who uploaded the controversial footages and shots,
<<Apollo 20 went to the moon august 16 1976. Destination was
Iszak D, southwest of Delporte Crater, farside of the moon. The mission
was soviet-american. Crew was William Rutledge CDR, former of bell
laboratories, leona snyder CSP bell laboratories, and alexei leonov,
soviet cosmonaut former "apollo soyouz" (mission one year
There are a few inconsistencies
in William Rutledge’s memories that you can find in reading this
interview. It could be comprehensible if you think about an old man (76
years old) who is trying to recall historical facts and events of his
life. So, I am not astonished if Rutledge, for instance in talking
about the former Russian President Boris Yeltsin who used tanks and
troops during the assault to the Parliament building, recalled the
years 1995 or 1994 when the exact year of the small civil war was 1993 (<<[…]
I went to the Ural in 1995 or 1994, can't recall, responding to an
invitation, but it was a mess here, I crossed Moscow when tanks were
shooting the Russian parliament>> by W. Rutledge, from the answer nr.8 of the interview).
I verified it later on an encyclopaedia, but I could not answer before
to such a question. I remembered only it occurred at the beginning of
On the other hand William Rutledge showed me a
knowledge of Geology, Chemistry and of space exploration history, using
specific terms. For example, he mentioned in the interview a not
well-know term: the “feldspathoid”, a “mineral consisting of an
aluminous silicate that has too little silica to form feldspar”
(Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, Könemann, 1993, pag.
So, I have good grounds for believing William
Rutledge’s testimony: first of all there really is (was?) a strange and
big object on the far side of the Moon, and its shape is very close to
that one showed in the video on YouTube: I am talking about the object
visible in a couple of NASA pictures taken by the Apollo 15 mission.
The cigar-shaped object looks like leant beside a crater, lightly
oblique; and the visible zone in the footage is very similar to the
visible region in some originals NASA photos taken by Apollo 15: the
Moon region coordinates where there is the unusual object are the
following: Latitude: 10° S - Longitude: 117.5° E, Southwest of
Delporte and North of Izsak. I have checked on a Lunar chart: it is on
the backside of the Moon.
The official NASA photos are
available on the website of the Lunar and Planetary Institute (LPI, in
Houston), which is a “research institute that provides support services
to NASA and the planetary science community”: the links to find the
pictures (the AS15-P-9630 and the AS15-P-9625, from the the Apollo
Image Atlas) are the following:
Moreover, it is meaningful that the links were provided by William
Rutledge (how did he know the details of those panoramic
A second reason, in my opinion, is
that William Rutledge is not gaining money from doing that. A third
reason is the detailed story he told me in the following interview,
full of technical and other specific aspects coherent among them. There
are just some incomplete biographical notes about the famous NASA
astronauts. But he answered kindly to every single question I have put
to him, without hesitation, and he provided several names of the
presumed American and Soviet people involved in that classified space
mission. Some of them are still alive. It could be interesting to be
able having a comment from them.
The fourth reason is the
quality of the footages on YouTube, which seem consistent with a shot
equipment available during the ‘70s and the first ‘80s. I asked to an
expert in shot, an Italian friend of mine whose name initials are F.D.
His comment about the footage spread by William Rutledge was the
i punti luce sovraesposti e la relativa 'scia' presentano tutte le
caratteristiche dei difetti delle telecamere basate su tubo di tipo
VIDICON. La 'scia' consiste in una persistenza del segnale video
all'interno del tubo. […] Nonostante quest'ultimo sia un sistema di
ripresa televisivo obsoleto, oggi la ditta Hamamatsu
(www.hamamatsu.com) realizza telecamere VIDICON all'infrarosso.>>
In English it means:
the overexposed light points and the relative trail show all the
features of the TV cameras faults based on VIDICON-type tube. The
‘trail’ is composed of a persistence of the video signal inside the
tube. […] In spite this one is an obsolete TV shot system, today the
Hamamatsu firm (www.hamamatsu.com) makes infrared VIDICON
And, as a matter of fact,
among the several different varieties of photographic equipment aboard
the Apollo 17, there was a Westinghouse color TV camera, which could
used in the command module, handheld or bracket-mounted. It is almost
obvious thinking to a similar camera equipment for the presumed Apollo
20, taken place in 1976 according to William Rutledge.
any case, the public will be the first judge of this story, which could
become in the near future the definitive proof that we are not alone in
FOREWORD FOR THE READERS
In the following interview granted by William Rutledge who lives now in
Africa, I have corrected (where I could) the orthographical mistakes
that there were in the answers (e.g. I put the right capital letters
and the right apostrophes), but I did not change the syntactical
construction of the sentences made by William Rutledge. Where I
was not able to understand his words, I put some dots between square
brackets. W. Rutledge told me he is now an old man with some
problems to the his articulations; moreover, William explained to me
that he’s always nervous when he writes. That’s why on YouTube you can
find some mistakes in his comments (user name: retiredafb) posted with
the footages. Anyway, here you are some words written by him for the
foreword to the following interview: <<
I don’t use English since 1990 but Kinyarwanda and French, and I write
quickly, sometimes letters are missing because I’m busy writing the
next one, or it is another on the keyboard which is used, but that’s a
Luca Scantamburlo: First of all I want to thank you for your time
and availability. It means a lot for me and, I guess, for all the
people around the world, very curious about what it is going on YouTube
after the release of your amazing video footages and information on the
presumed “Apollo 20” space mission. Now we can begin our interview.
Because of my professional activity, I will start from a skeptical
point of view. So please, I kindly ask you to understand it. You will
have the space to answer and for explaining your reasons.
What is your name? How old are you and are you an American citizen?
Sometimes your written English contains some orthographical mistakes…
Are you forgetting your language rules (e.g., you wrote “maicroscope”
instead of “microscope”)? Somebody on the Web said you do not seem
(considering your writings) an American-English native land…
I'm not offended, I like to answer to skeptics, you cannot imagine what
kind of messages I receive. That’s my name, William Rutledge, no
Standford Rutledge, it's another one. Born in 1930 in Belgium, American
citizen, I know about mistakes, I'm writing too fast with arthrose
problems and I'm always nervous when I'm writing, it's like trying to
contain a flow of water. I'm not accustomed to speak in English anymore
since 1990. I have learned Kinyarwanda and use French, sometimes German
because Rwanda is a former Belgium-German colony.
2) L.S.How long have you been living in Rwanda and why did you move overthere?
It 's a woman who brought me to Rwanda, maybe I was searching for
somebody like one person who shared my life before. Personally
speaking, I have always been sensible to Africa born women. (Buzz
Aldrin was also sensible, he was the only astronaut participating in a
walk after martin Luther King's death, it’s not a well known story). I
established myself with a new identity in Kigali in 1990, streets have
no names here. I stayed in Nyiamirambo quarter till 1994, war pushed me
to the north west of the country, near the Congo Kinshasa frontier.
Rwandan authorities do not know my past, my friends do.
3) L.S. Can you tell me anything about your life? Where are you from? Where did you study?
I've written on this on my others answers, Avro, Chance Vought, just
consider that USAF uses every person who can bring skills, white,
black, woman, every citizen. It was different with NASA, all astronauts
were West Point students, only Alan Bean was an artist, Armstrong was a
philosopher and Aldrin a spiritual man.
4) L.S. How did you become an astronaut with NASA (I suppose) in the ‘70s?
NASA didn't employ me, USAF did, I had worked on the study of foreign
technology, RUSSIAN only, study about the N1 project, AJAX plane
project and the Mig Foxbat 25. I had some skills for using computer
navigation and was a volunteer for the MOL-Gemini project. USAF
recalled that, I have been chosen later for Apollo 20 because I was one
of the rare pilot who didn't believe in God (it has changed since 1990)
but it was a criterion in 1976. It was not the status of the NASA
astronauts. Not believing in God made the difference. That's all.
Can you prove who you are with some photos or documents of yours, taken
during the training by NASA or even before, during your work at the
Bell Laboratories? Can you send them to me as attachments, for a
W.R. Yes, I will put them online, but I will focus on Leonov, to end hoax controversy.
L.S. When and above all why did you decide to disclose
these information about classified space missions and is there anybody
who is protecting you?
W.R. It's the
announcement of "the wonder of it all" maybe, and 2012 is coming fast.
I also think that UFOs will appear more often starting from September
2007. A lot of people died around me in Rwanda, and I have more time to
take care of this. About protection, please understand it's hard to
speak of my armoury.
L.S. After the “Apollo 20” mission, taken place in August
1976 according to the information you have provided, what did you do
and when did you leave the U.S.A. ?
After Apollo 20, several things happened, I was not aware of how the
material collected would be used. I thought Space Shuttle was a bad
idea, I’ve worked on the KH 11 project before retiring.
In your writings provided on YouTube you mentioned the members of the
“Apollo 20” crew: among them there is the former Soviet cosmonaut,
Alexei Leonov. I remember he is still alive. Does he know what you are
doing on the Web? Did you talk with him before April 2007 and if the
answer is no, aren’t you afraid about what he could do or tell?
Leonov is not aware of all this, I cannot contact him, contacts were
completely lost in 1982-1984, I went to the Ural in 1995 or 1994, can't
recall, responding to an invitation, but it was a mess here, I crossed
Moscow when tanks were shooting the Russian parliament. Cant' imagine
his reaction. If he discovers the videos without preparation, he can
confirm or leave at once. If he is warned, and prepared, he can deny.
A question about the dialogues subtitles on the “spaceship footage”:
did you make them or did somebody else make them? There are some
mistakes (e.g., the personal pronoun is “I”, with the capital letter,
not “i” as there is written). What about the original dialogues? Were
there in the footage? Did you have problems with the codecs during the
Yes, plenty of problems, subtitles are made just before transfer, I
have to work with the distance, I'll be back in Rwanda in July. I asked
to put the flyover very quickly, they made the subtitles in one hour,
buried instead of burried, aperture to 1.8 is not at the right place,
there are mistakes but is does not shock me. The Apollo 11 mention at
the beginning of the film surprised me, it is on the original film, one
internaut signaled that to me. The films are not the first generation,
some of them were copied in 1982 I'm sure of this, some have a blue
background from the end of the 70's.
There are in the dialogues between the astronauts and the Mission
Control, some expressions that I do not understand: for instance,
“CSM”, “DSKY” and “Vandenberg Twenty”. I could think that “DSKY” is
about the position on the Moon (close to the Izsak crater) and that the
“Vandenberg Twenty” is about the Mission Control, located by the
Vandeberg Air Force Base, in California. Can you explain them?
CSM is Command Service Module, DSKY was the computer "display
keyboard", we used many acronyms. AGC is Apollo Guidance Computer, same
that DSKY, but located in the Apollo spacecraft and coupled with a
telescope ( […] on the LM).
In some videos, the first
image you see is the DSKY panel with lines prog indicates the program
running verb and noun verb indicates what the DSKY has to do and show.
Before filming I had to enter verb 15 (display MET, mission elapsed
time, or hours minutes seconds since lift-off, then noun 65 for
displaying on there rows, hours on the first line minutes on the
second, and seconds/tens of seconds on the third line). Then in every
movie we put the date on the beginning of the shot, MET, Mission
Elapsed Time, hours since lift-off. In the flyover movie, the computer
indicates 144 hours if I remember.
Capcom (CC) is the
function of the unique officer charged of transmission to astronauts.
He gathers all information and transmit them to the astronauts, news
from the ground, instructions for the corrections, wake up calls, three
The syntax was "Vandenberg" calling
Vandenberg next "twenty" a call from twenty. Inverted when starting
from Earth: Capcom- Twenty or sometimes EEcom- Twenty Guido - Twenty
when we had a special work to do, docking, correction. When undocking
was made the communications were different. Vandenberg Constellation
(name of the Apollo spacecraft); Vandenberg Phoenix (name of the LM).
The Apollo 19 Apollo spacecraft was Endymion and Artemis was the Lunar
I would like to know something more about the preparation of the
“Apollo 20” mission. From where and when the Saturn rocket was launched
and how many people were involved in that classified mission. Can you
do some names?
300 people were involved on the preparation, but more other witnesses
in Vandenberg. It was launched from this AFB. More witnesses, yes, many
people saw departures in the sky, cameras were forbidden all around the
Vandenberg site, but today a lot of Space spotters film every launch of
Delta rockets, from towns. Other people saw this launch but not knowing
it was a Saturn 5. One internaut viewing the launch video says this
launch is a Saturn 1B. If today, with all available information,
somebody makes such a mistake, you can image how it was in 1976. The
preparation was long, subject of cancellations, new starts. Russians
had the first information since 1966, I don't know what was their
12) L.S.Can you tell me anything about the Russian collaboration to “Apollo 20”?
W.R. James Chipman Fletcher for USA and Valentin Alexeiev for
Russia, Werner Von Braun was one of the happy viewer. Capcom were
Charles Peter Conrad and James Irwin.
me something about the “Apollo 18” and the “Apollo 19” missions;
specially about the last one and its failure. Was it a classified
mission with the same goal of the “Apollo 20”? Tell me about your ex
girlfriend, Stephanie Ellis, “first American woman in Space” according
to what you wrote to me in a former letter. The official space history
does not include her as astronaut…
Apollo 18 was the Apollo-Soyuz project, the honeymoon before a moon
landing mission, it was presented as a simple "shaking hands " mission
in 1975. Apollo 19 and 20 were hazardous missions. On long duration
flight the helium pressure was too high on the LEM, a security disk had
to burst if pressure was going high, but motor was unusable after. So
it was changed on Apollo 19 and 20, but not tested in Space before. It
was ok, but… in the paper. However, we got no problem with it. It was a
long mission, 7 days scheduled on the Moon, every ray of light was used
Apollo 19 had a loss of telemetry, a brutal
end of mission without data. Now the truth is unknown but it seems that
it was a natural phenomenon, a collision with a "quasi-satellite ",
like Cruithne, or a meteor (the probability is higher I think). The
goal was the same, the landing site was the same, the exploration
program was different, they had a big job to do with the rover,
exploring the roof of the ship by climbing on the "Monaco hill", (I'll
have to put a lunar map online). NO American astronaut is listes, I
discovered since may that many people find many William Rultledge in
NASA. I can be found in the list of the Test pilots of Chance Vought,
on the consultant list of the James Forrestal Center, I was involved in
fluid mechanics. My boss was Bogdanoff (nothing in common with the
Stephanie Ellis was born in Abidjan
(Ivory Coast) in 1946, arrived in America at the age of 7 months. She
was a LM specialist, she worked with Grumman Bethpage for new
implementations on the navigation system of the LM (Note that LM15 was
officially destructed by Grumman). She contributed to debug the
Luminary program, who was never bug free. Apollo 19 and 20 had serious
problems with docking and rendez-vous. Her technical knowledge was as
deep as Roger Chaffee. She was a wonderful and funny person. I have
some pictures of her in the LEM and Ingress 16 mm footage. I'll not
show the other members of the crew.
collaborations; I don't know how, but Russian were informed of the
presence of a ship on the far side. Luna 15 in July 1969 crashed just
at the South of the nose of the ship. It was a probe similar to Ranger
or Lunar Orbiter. They provided maps, precise charts of this area. The
center of decision was located in the Ural, in the town of Sverdlovsk.
The chief of the program was professor Valentin Alekseiev, who became
later president of the academy of science in Ural. Leonov was chosen
because of his popularity in the communist leading staff, and secondary
only because he was on Apollo-Soyuz. In 1994, I met again Valentin
Alekseiev in Ural, Yekaterinburg, and he had a model of the spaceship
made of malachite with incrustations of gold on his desk.
could tell you 100 stories about how Russians wanted to impress us. For
example, when I came to the Academy of the Ural for the first time, my
feet sticked on the ground, they had put varnish on the floor, not
dried, for showing us new offices, they did all this "the Russian way",
quickly, with quantity, not completely ready.
Is there anybody in U.S.A., Russia or in Europe that can confirm your
story? And are you not afraid that somebody can threaten your friends
In USA, honestly I don't know who is living now. Conrad died a strange
way I think, his death was awful. Irwin is dead, von Braun also I
think. James Fletcher. Leona Marietta Snyder is alive and communicates
and support me in this job. In Russia, Valentin Alekseiev, and Alexei
Leonov. Leonov is retired, I'm not sure of this but his health is a
About security, no problem as far I live in
Rwanda, I only have problem now in Europe, my family is dead. I went to
Rwanda in 1990, and stayed during 3 wars, the April-July 1994 were the
worst years of my life, but I have now true friends in the Tootsie
community and Government. (I'm not known in Rwanda as William Rutledge
and American citizen, I have a whole new life).
I kept my moon flag, beta cloth name, and moon al7b equipment with original dust.
What did you know about the unofficial Warwick Research Institute
Report on the “Public Acclimation Program”, released in 1992 to the
I have no knowledge of this report, 1992 was a very hard year for me, I
was disconnected from all this, can you give me a link?
Now we can discuss the ancient “alien spaceship” and “the City” on the
farside of the Moon. Did you go inside the spaceship? How big was it
and what did you find inside?
We went inside the big spaceship, also into a triangular one. The major
parts of the exploration was; it was a mother ship, very old, who
crossed the universe at least milliard of years ago (1.5 estimated).
There were many signs of biology inside, old remains of a vegetation in
a "motor" section, special triangular rocks who emitted "tears" of a
yellow liquid which has some special medical properties, and of course
signs of extra solar creatures. We found remains of little bodies
(10cm) living in a network of glass tubes all along the ship, but the
major discovery was two bodies, one intact.
Did you visit “the City” on the Moon? Where was it? Did you understand
if was there a connection with the Space ship? Are “the City” and “the
Ship” still there?
The "City" was named on Earth and scheduled as station one, but it
appeared to be a real space garbage, full of scrap, gold parts, only
one construction seemed intact(we named it the Cathedral). We made
shots of pieces of metal, of every part wearing calligraphy, exposed to
the sun. The "City" seem to be as old as the ship, but it is a very
tiny part. On the rover video, the telephotolens make the artifacts
What about the “Mona Lisa EBE”? [the correct Italian name is “Monna
Lisa”] How does she look like and where was she at that time, when you
found out her on the Moon. Where do you think she is now?
Mona Lisa – I don’t remember who named the girl, Leonov or me - was the
intact EBE. Humanoid, female, 1.65 meter. Genitalized, haired, six
fingers (we guess that mathematics are based on a dozen). Function;
pilot, piloting device fixed to fingers and eyes, no clothes, we had to
cut two cables connected to the nose. No nostril. Leonov unfixed the
eyes device (you'll see that in the video). concretions of blood or bio
liquid erupted and froze from the mouth, nose, eyes and some parts of
the body. Some parts of the body were in unusual good condition, (hair)
and the skin was protected by a thin transparent protection layer. As
we told to mission control, condition seemed not dead not alive. We had
no medical background or experience, but Leonov and I used a test, we
fixed our bio equipment on the EBE, and telemetry received by surgeon
(Mission Control meds) was positive. That’s another story. Some parts
could be unbelievable now, I prefer tell the whole story when other
videos will be online. This experience has been filmed in the LM. We
found a second body, destroyed, we brought the head on board. Color of
the skin was blue gray, a pastel blue. Skin had some strange details
above the eyes and the front, a strap around the head, wearing no
inscription. The "cockpit" was full of calligraphy and formed of long
semi hexagonal tubes. She is on Earth and she is not dead, but I prefer
to post other videos before telling what happened after.
19) L.S. Were you able to understand the origin of the spacecraft and how old was it?
The age was estimated to 1.5 milliards of years, it was confirmed
during exploration, we found ejections from the original crust,
anorthosite, spirals in feldspathoids, coming from the impact which
formed Izsak D; The density of meteor impacts on the ship validated the
age, also little white impacts on the Monaco hill at the West of the
Can you give me the technical details for every material you disclosed
on YouTube? I mean, can you distinguish among the tv transmissions from
the Lunar rover and the camera footages, during the flyovers? I would
need to know the details of shooting for every video you spread on the
Web. What is the meaning of the strange numbers visibile on the videos,
which sometimes slowly stream over the frames, in the flyover of the
I have answered so much time on this, especially to a ESA astronaut.
The transfer was in made in Rwanda, […] with codec and sound
recuperation is not good, but it becomes better. The subtitles are not
genuine, but put on the videos after transfer. I asked to remove the
voices sometimes to protect one person from mission control.
used three video cameras in Apollo, one on the rover, called GTCA, it
is not the name of a company (a commenter made a mistake on this) but a
Westinghouse color camera. All three color cameras has a color wheel
who produced a time frame delay when transmitting to the earth. I think
it could be possible for a company to restore a good TV picture. The
CSM camera had a black and white monitor, and produced stable pictures,
sharp because focusig was visible on the monitor. The LM camera had a
glass visor. The CSM camera was used one time on the AGC Visor, using
the coordinates I've transmitted during the flyover video. The Flyover
video was made in zero gravity. I was located on the left window,
attitude horizontal, legs around the hammock, lens on the polycarbonate
glass. The cameras had a Vidicon tube sensible with light, a large
quantity of light, or changing the diaphragms put dropouts during
transmission. The markings, numbers are used to perform a good landing.
During program 64, when […] in almost in vertical attitude, we had to
put the "60" number on the landing site and hold it on the target
minutes before landing. These marks are on the both […] windows, you
can verify it on a NASA site. Please verify on a genuine NASA site, (I
got a flame by somebody who verified on the Apollo 13 movie) the
markings had a special angle inclination. If you check it, you'll have
an idea of my precise position during this sequence.
22) L.S. How did you get years ago the copies of the footages of the mission?
About the footages […] one day, someone I know told me he was charged
to maintain security around a container. A building had to be
destroyed, and archives had to be burn by a plasma torch. The nuclear
power plant didn’t deliver energy at the right price, so the container
was plenty of interest things during some days. As human is naturally
curious, people charged of security went inside… My friend took video
films, a couple of 16 mm plates, boxes of B/W paper, two enlargers… He
contacted me for selling the unsued paper, and that’s how I discovered
the other things. I’ve already seen some picture before, 11*16 pictures
were violet/blue, old RC photographies, I watched the tapes , it was
not a business affair, I put them in security, the only important thing
for me were the BW sheets of paper. It was 15 years
Have you ever met Clark McClelland, former NASA engineer who lost his
job years ago because of what he discovered at the KSC (I suppose alien
bodies or alien objects from the Space)?
W.R. But you can give me the links. Documents can be at KSC, but no bodies or alien craft I think.
24) L.S. You mentioned in a former letter C. M. and M. Who are they?
C. M. is the website officer on Oceans NASA site
[http://oceancolor.gsfc.nasa.gov]; M. also. A. M. is 508 Coordinator. I
only have mail exchange with Johnson Space Center for the moment. There
is a moment of panic I think since May 18. Check 508 coordinator NASA
on a search engine. Statement 508 is the way of pushing NASA to
declassify material. I expected a reaction.
it is a part of my strategy, NASA has the right to block me if I
download unauthorized information. If they explain why they block me,
they recognize that the videos can be obtained from them. If I sue them
for violation of Statement 508, they will be forced to prove I
downloaded unauthorized material , and it's not the case, I never go on
a NASA site.
Since May 18, I have not a precise answer, I have to wait for a decision from the headquarters.
Even as Italian citizen, you have the right to ask for material from a federal agency like NASA, see 508 Statement:
Aren’t you afraid of the U.S. Government’s reaction and why did you
talk about the date of September 2007, when NASA and USAF (according to
you) “will be forced to tell the whole story before September 2007”
What does it mean and Who is your “deep throat”? In another recent your
communication to me, you talked about the “2012” year. You said: “In
2012, the weakers will die, and governments preserve the only bit of
their heritage […] everybody has to be prepared for 2012”. Is there any
connection with the “Planet X” return (the ancient Nibiru, adored by
the Sumerians in Mesopotamia) ? What did you know about it?
I'm the deep throat. What can NASA USAF do now? Blocking or suing me
would be an acknowledgement. They can speak of hoax or fiction. I'm
just afraid they could open a site or another account with my name or
putting almost perfect false videos with voluntary errors to disinform.
Fortunately, bureaucracy and time works for me. It's a race.
why the idea of putting the Leonov files is a good idea, no controversy
anymore, there are no Leonov footage, no videos of this period of
Leonov in a LM or on a USA USAF base. It is unthinkable related to the
official version .
I am a passionate of the Sumerian period, of the Genesis as related by
Sumerian. They clearly explain how gods created man. But I have no
indications on Sumerian cosmogony, send me some links.
There is a question you didn't ask for and I'm always surprised that
nobody does. This could be your question 27 - why is it necessary to
hide UFOs, why disinformation, why putting all this under the carpet?
It's question of economics. All currencies on Earth are based on the
value of gold. Not many citizens know that but gold is an
extraterrestrial metal coming from the death of a star. When a star is
dying, its mass is growing, atoms are compressed and when the star
explodes, it spreads large amounts of gold in young solar systems.
That's why gold is not a mineral to treat but a perfect, carbon free
metal. This mean that it is the most common substance in the universe,
no more value than a piece of plastic.
That's enough to put down
all world currencies. Imagine also that an EBE says: "coffee has a good
taste, rare in this galaxy", the only perspective of trading coffee
through universe would displace the economic power to countries of the
South in one day. You see, not a problem of panic, but simply a problem